Join Dr. Beth Allison Barr for a little history lesson where we see that the role of the pastor's wife hasn't always been this way.

In this episode, you will be able to:



• Discover the empowering impact of women in church leadership roles.


• Uncover the influence of patriarchal systems on women in ministry today.


• Explore the fascinating historical evolution of the pastor's wife role.


• Navigate the unique challenges faced by pastors' wives in evangelical churches.


• Embrace the benefits of inclusive leadership for a more diverse and welcoming church community.

My special guest is Dr. Beth Allison Barr (https://www.bethallisonbarr.com/about/)

Dr. Beth Allison Barr (https://www.bethallisonbarr.com/) , (PhD, University of North Carolina at Chapel

Hill) is James Vardaman Endowed Chair of History at Baylor

University in Waco, Texas, where she specializes in medieval

history, women’s history, and church history. She is the author of

the USA Today bestseller The Making of Biblical Womanhood: (https://www.bethallisonbarr.com/books/the-making-of-biblical-womanhood/)

How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth (https://www.bethallisonbarr.com/books/the-making-of-biblical-womanhood/) . Her work

has been featured by NPR and the New Yorker, and she has

written for Christianity Today, the Washington Post, The Dallas

Morning News, Sojourners, and Baptist News Global. Barr lives in

Texas with her husband, a Baptist pastor, and their two children.

The key moments in this episode are:

00:00:02 - Introducing Dr. Beth Allison Barr

00:01:07 - Unpacking the Role of the Pastor's Wife

00:02:03 - The Personal Impact

00:02:55 - The Intersection of History and Personal Experience

00:13:49 - Women in Ministry and The Southern Baptist Convention

00:14:41 - Historical Context of Women in Ministry

00:21:02 - Expectations and Unpaid Labor

00:22:12 - Gendered Giftedness and Leadership

00:26:20 - Dorothy Patterson's Symbolic Submission

00:28:08 - The Cost of Patriarchy

00:30:59 - The Patriarchal Bargain

00:33:14 - Burden of the Ideal Pastor's Wife

00:36:25 - Stress and Expectations

00:38:08 - Embracing Inclusive Leadership

00:42:00 - The impact of patriarchal systems on women in the church

00:43:27 - Righteous anger and calls to action

00:44:31 - Recognizing the unseen labor of women in the church

00:46:11 - Embracing women's God-given gifts and dreams

00:47:35 - Encouragement to make a difference



• Pre-order Dr. Beth Allison Barr's book Becoming the Pastor's Wife (https://www.bethallisonbarr.com/books/becoming-the-pastors-wife/) to gain deeper insights into the challenges and expectations placed on women in ministry.


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