Songwriting As Self-Expression: Shannan Copland's Journey From Self-Doubt To Embracing Her Voice

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Welcome to the A World of Difference

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podcast. I'm Lori Adams Brown and this is

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a podcast for those who are different and

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want to make a difference. Today we have a

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musician on the show, a singer songwriter

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and a friend of mine, Shannan Copland is

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coming on the show. She's been releasing

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some new music lately and she is about to

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release a new song called Enough on April

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12. She's coming on the show today to talk

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about the this song, other songs she's

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going to be releasing out in the future

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and ones she's already released. Copland

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is an indie pop music artist based in

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Portland Oregon Born and raised here in

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California where I live she studied music

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at an early age with a love for piano and

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voice she involved herself in any musical

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opportunity that was afforded to her Her

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passion for songwriting ignited around age

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twelve and she's used it as an outlet to

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express her artistry ever since Over the

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years Shannon has worked with talented

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musicians vocalists and teachers from

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around the United States also in Portugal

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Norway Italy and more And she had the

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honor of being the only vocal student of

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norwegian pop celebrity train train and to

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this day train has been one of her most

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inspiring and influential mentors.Shannon

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is going to release her first debut single

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or already or released her first debut

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single it's like in March this year and

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once again a new one coming called Enough

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on April 12 which she has graciously

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allowed me to have a preview too And her

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song it's like that was released in March

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It's fun relatable inspiring love song

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with a catchy a that might take you back

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to I don't know the breakfast club for a

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second But her new one enough is about

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Just what it sounds like that you are

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enough.And it's just absolutely the

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message we want to amplify out to the

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world here on the oh world of difference

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podcast that you bring your voice to the

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table fully the who you are And this song

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is all about that So excited to welcome to

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the show to Shannan Copland.Hello Shannon

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It's so great to see you my friend up in

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Portland Welcome A very very warm welcome

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to the A world of difference podcast

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today.Thank you so much It's Thank

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privilege to get to be On this podcast

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with you Well it's so fun for me when I

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get to interview friends that I've known

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for years We met here in the Bay area but

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now you're up in Portland and we've

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visited each other.I've visited you with

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my family up there too which is so fun But

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today we're going to talk about you and I

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get to interview you, and learn all about

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the difference you're making in the world

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And I'm so excited to do that And my first

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sort of question for you right off the bat

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which I know but I'd love for my listeners

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To know more about you are kind.Of what

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are the places and cultures that have

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shaped you throughout your life That have

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made Shannon who your are Oh my gosh That

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is a loaded question Oh man.Well Shannon

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me Well I've been I've lived a lot of

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places like you have I grew up in the Bay

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Area in California but from there I lived

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on the east coast and then in college

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years and beginning of our marriage for a

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really good chunk of time we lived a We

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spent some time in Portugal and Italy and

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Canada and a lot of different places And

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my and a I really love traveling.I love

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traveling all my life And we love the

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perspective that we get from immersing

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ourselves in the cultures And learning

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their worldviews and heLoring people's

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Stories because I feel it feel like that

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really challenges our own thinking of what

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we think of ourselves and how we can

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achieve things too And so yeah we love

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traveling.So I've been a lot of places Yes

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you've lived a lot of cool places and

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traveled a lot of cool places I mean Italy

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is on a lot of people's destination of

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favorite places they've been or bucket

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list of places they want to go.Yeah

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exactly And you're a woman yourself and

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that Has really played into your music

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You're raising girls and you're sort of

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processing that through your lyrics which

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is so beautiful And I just kind of wanted

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to.Know because I know people listening

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whether They'Re a woman or a girl or A man

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or a young boy who struggled with people's

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expectations Did that ever play into your

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story of kind of trying to meet up to the

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expectations people had of you And sort of

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what did you struggle with around that Oh

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absolutely Yeah I grew up in a strong

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religious evangelical background and there

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are a lot of expectations a are put on us

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I mean even if you're not if You don't

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have religious background it could be in

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the workplace or your family or your

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school.But for me there were I had parents

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in leadership in the church world And so I

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grew up kind of like living in a glass box

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So everyone's eyes are on on me and my

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family a what we're doing And is

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everything that we do does that measure up

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to what this christian Or this person is

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supposed to be And there's a lot of

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pressure with that and it's hard

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especially when you're In your adolescent

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years and you're trying to figure out who

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you are and what your purpose is when

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you're being thrown all these different

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expectations And yeah it's hard to sort

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through that so It is Yeah.Lot to be said

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with that No my gosh there's like we could

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do a whole entire series on that. itself

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And I know whether people are listening

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from a christian background or from a

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muslim background or a jewish background

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or are currently in those religious

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environments a religious environment there

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a a lot of rules and expectations and we

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do have people listening that are in the

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evangelical community here in the US or

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abroad or listening the ex vangelical

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community as well And so some of those

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rules just feel kind of arbitrary Like

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where did they even get that And why are

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there so many And why are there more now

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than there were last year And you never

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feel like you quite measure up right It's

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like okay why does the goalpost keep

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moving You know But as a As a mom Yeah as

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a mom raising daughters like ooh the world

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is hard on women and girls We just

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finished women's history month and I don't

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know why we just get one month I mean we

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should at least get sex right now or like

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rbg.When they asked her about how many

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supreme court justices would we have in

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order for us to know we've reached

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equality And she's like when there are in

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right Because it's been tipped the other

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way for so long But as are mom you're

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really thinking of your daughters right as

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you're writing a lot of your music And so

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I guess like you know.What hope do you a

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for your potential You know future

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granddaughters or great granddaughters As

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they you know hear your lyrics What are

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you hoping they will come Out of it with

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Yeah I just As I was writing this song it

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started actually in a completely different

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direction I was just writing down the

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lyrics thinking through some things that

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were coming to my mind And it started more

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off as like A lament of reflection of the

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past.And just feeling bound by

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expectations and rules But But a lot of

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that is perspective too right Like how

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much of the rules that I believed in were

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actually put on me as opposed to what I

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believed.Was being put on me And so anyway

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the song was a Little bit kind of

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complaining reflective and I was like wait

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a second if I'm experiencing this I know

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so many other people are experiencing this

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too.And I know my girls will experience

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this So instead of complaining about it

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and lamenting about it I want to make This

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song something that they can do something

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with Like what do I want my girl singing

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When it comes to the pressures of.Feeling

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like you're enough or that you Are worth

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it and that you measure up And so that's

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really what birthed this song is The

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lyrics The chorus just really drives it

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home.And it repeats because we kind of

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need that We need that repetition feeding

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back into our soul like you're enough The

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world may think otherwise of you but it

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doesn't matter Their opinions do not

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change our worth And to stand in that

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worth.And so that's really that's really

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what I want my girls to be singing back

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It's like I am enough I am enough So good

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I mean there's what. least in the.US

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context I've seen some pretty interesting

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Research on what is shameful to men Versus

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women boys versus girls Actually Brene

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Brown does a lot of research around She's

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a shame researcher and talks shameful lot

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about vulnerability and you know typically

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very stereotypically and this is not

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everyone but generally speaking you have

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messages toward men a boys that the worst

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thing that could be the most shameful

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thing they could be is weak versus

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strong.And then for men and girls it's

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Often that you're not perfect You didn't

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follow every rule and do It every whatever

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your subculture looks like You know if

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you're in school it's education and if

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it's like you're in.A religious

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environment it's the religion and The

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rules of the religion Like you know how do

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you dress You know purity culture

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obviously plays a lot into this with

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Christianity but also with Islam and even

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with Judaism a bit And so you know as we

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think.About this and a makes that shame of

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not being perfect is something that Really

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we have to work as women And girls and we

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also need male allies to help us with this

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too Strong fathers that raise strong

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daughters and you know it's okay to fail

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and it's okay to make mistakes Did any of

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this help you find your own voice in the

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process And how does getting comfortable

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with your Own voice help you make

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mistakes. difference in this way Oh

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absolutely I think understanding that your

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value is not based on external things like

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someone's Opinions or the world's

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expectations.When you understand that

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you're worth it and that you are valuable

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then you like for me I felt liberated Like

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when I really like believe that Within my

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heart that okay my worth isn't depend on

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their opinions Forget them Like you feel

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liberated even to have weaknesses because

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those weaknesses aren't what define you

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either.And so that's just the profoundness

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of it And when you feel liberated to make

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Mistakes and to just be who you Are and to

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stand in that then you feel more liberated

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to make a difference in the world around

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you you just You have more happiness at

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least for me.I just have a lot more

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happiness Knowing that my worth isn't ping

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ponged By if I'm perfect enough or if I'm

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prettier enough or if I'm good enough at

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this or a Yeah Well I think in the music

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industry we've seen you know we've watched

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women rise.You know we recently have

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Beyonce coming out and changing the music

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industry around country music with cowboy

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Carter and we also saw a lot of the

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scrutiny around Taylor Swift once she

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started her rise toward becoming and

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billionaire Like the And you know both of

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those women and others in the music

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industry have really highlighted how women

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and girls do get scrutinized in toward

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different a because Of the. narratives

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were told and the Way the system has

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worked for so long and really silenced

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women in certain ways or tried to make

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them small.And I know art is one of The

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most beautiful ways to express those

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feelings in its vLorious forms music

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included But to write something so

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vulnerable and so difficult has a lot of

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internal and external barriers that you

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have to overcome As a singer songwriter

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what are some of the barriers that you've

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had to Overcome to write these songs Oh so

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many Like I have to feed this song Back to

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myself a Like almost every time I make a

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post on social media we're always

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wondering you know like oh is this picture

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I that to stupid Or is this caption okay

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okay I'm gonna run it through jet a GPT

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and figure out a better way to say this Or

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are my hashtags right Or like there are

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just so many Things that are fed to us

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constantly where I don't Don't know if

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you're.If you're good enough or not And so

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I constantly have to feed This song back

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to myself and be like okay don't worry

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about it Their opinions don't matter to

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see who You are because this is who I.Am

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and it's not going to change So just live

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your authentic self and forget the image

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management Yeah So yeah so good And I

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think that we long in.Our generation maybe

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even more so because of how much image

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management is out there both in religious

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contexts as well as you know government

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and business and Even the music industry

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or you know just your average you know

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1213 year old girl looking at Snapchat or

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whatever And in herself to every other

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girl In the world not just her class You

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know there was a time when I was growing

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up in the eighties.And nineties where you

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just compared yourself To the 15 other

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kids in your class you know which in

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Venezuela was a high bar I'm just going to

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say one of my classmates it was Miss

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Venezuela and she's gorgeous you know but

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yeah but now it's just it's so much

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pressure And we're seeing major a health

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issues that are causing all of us concern

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Right.Because of it But you know when we

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think about The different cultures of the

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world the standards of beauty or the rules

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for women and girls are different in every

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culture So was there anything about your

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experience abroad maybe in Italy or

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anywhere else that sort of shed a light

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for you and relativized some of this as

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you were finding your own voice and kind

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of figuring out how your own Light was

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going to shine Oh there were some moments

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when we lived in Italy where I definitely

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had a few aha Moments that were they shed

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light on the perspective and the beliefs

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of how I was raised and how I grew up and

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they kind of changed the Way I think about

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them now So for example growing up they

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way that I did the topic of modesty is

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very different.And in Italy there is a

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different Kind of I don't know this is how

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I experienced it as myself But they view

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modesty differently And in America there's

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extreme pressures of oh cover is up or

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don't cover it up It depends on you know

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where you.Grew up and all that But I guess

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what I'm trying to Say is modesty is one

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of there's One of the perspectives that

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changed And I saw women who were

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confident.In themselves and not shamed not

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body Shamed like we we tend to do And that

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was really special to me because.I don't

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know physical appearance is Something that

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is that the forefront I think a lot of

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times of beliefs About yourself and

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measuring up and things because it's

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external and it's what people see And so

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feeling in Italy like with That change of

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perspective oh you know at It really kind

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of doesn't matter as much as I think it

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does People really don't care as much as

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we think they do about how much Skin

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you're showing or how much skin you're not

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showing it really doesn't affect People

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kind the same way Your culture also the

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way you're brought up with your culture

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makes a difference in that also.So that's

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one example No it's great I think that's a

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common example because When it comes to

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things like modesty Or we mentioned

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earlier purity culture that some people

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were raised in which you.Know is a a

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conversation in the Evangelical community

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or evangelical community here in the

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United States it also has because. lot of

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different nuance even in the US depending

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mentioned whether you're white evangelical

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Or black evangelical or latino or asian

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American all those different communities

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view that differently.And then you know I

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think for Both of us our experiences are

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on The world of what it meant to be modest

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Generally speaking in that country or with

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the subcultures of the different religions

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I probably couldn't have lived in more

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extreme places I grew up think Venezuela

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which is very like even the christian

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community I grew up in like they were

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being modest for.And I use the or modesty

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about clothing Modesty also you know and

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certain nuances Of the word could be how

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much you flaunt your money So that's

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another element that's also not always

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brought into it and seems to be more of

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the origins at least in terms of how the

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scriptures and kind of impact that But

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like the I lived under shLoria law in

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Sumatra where I had to wear a hijab and

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couldn't have nail polish.And you know all

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of that is wild You know there was no even

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physical contact between men and women You

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know if you had to greet someone as sharia

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woman you could shake Her hand but as a

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man to a woman's you know you often

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wouldn't even touch hands And even with my

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own husband in public right So what's

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considered modest even within certain

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religions has nuance even within Islam or

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a Judaism all over the world And so it

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makes that moving a if you moving

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countries extremely difficult because like

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well here it's not like that And like

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you're showing your hair here and you're

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not showing your hair here And so it makes

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so much It can be kind of victim blaming

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for women.Like well you were asking for it

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if you did this type of thing And so all

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the more reason we Need songs we need

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songwriters like you We need artists to

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help us express these deep feelings that

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have been embodied for so many women. and

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girls where you can just see women

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carrying it almost physically in

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themselves So as you were writing this you

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know sort of just.You described a little

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bit of your process for writing the song

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enough But I know you have other so That

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have recently come out It's like in other

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ones And so how does enough fit into.The

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larger narrative or themes of you music in

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general I think enough is one of the Main

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anthems of my music.I love encouraging

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people I love inspiring them I love it

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when people achieve their goals and they

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try really hard for something But I also

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am a really deep thinker Can sometimes be

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an in but I a deep thinker.I really like

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reflection and self reflection And so a

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lot of my songs are along those themes of

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it I just want my listeners to be inspired

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encouraged or to really challenge their

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Thinking on a topics or maybe present A

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perspective of a particular topic they may

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not have thought about.So I have a few

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songs coming out that are I'm really

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excited about One of them has a really fun

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beat I'm gonna release that in the

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summertime And there are other on that are

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super reflective like for mother's Day I'm

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gonna be releasing.Sing may song around

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then and it will probably a most moms

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coming a puddle of tears Okay get your

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kleenexes ready everybody As I wrote that

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one I'm couldn't Oh my gosh I couldn't

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stop crying.And I just actually got it

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back from my producer yesterday and I'm

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was just releasing. tears a I let my

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daughter my older daughter listen to it

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and she was in tears. too and so touching

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So um So a lot of emotional songs coming

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Too but enough is for me it's The one that

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I'm most proud of.Right now because it's

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It's kind of like that in anthem Like I

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want There aren't a lot of songs out there

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that That kind of feed into your so

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necessLorily that are.That are empowering

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that are encouraging And I want people to

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after they hear this song just to feel

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liberated And feel that they're worthy and

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that They can just go out and face

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Whatever challenges they have a in their

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own skin and be confident kind that.No

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it's so true I agree I got to this point

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in my life after having worked in a toxic

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work environment and sort of walking

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through that in therapy over they're last

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three years or so That year I have

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playlists on Spotify One's called hype

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woman ones like women's empowerment.I mean

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it's in of like I Just sometimes on my

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commute to work Here point Silicon Valley

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it's like I Just need to remind myself

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that you know I'm enough Women around me

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are enough and women.Supporting women is

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one of my favorite things And I on know I

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just I heard recently Michelle Obama has

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There was this video where she was Talking

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about um women and just the.Sisterhood and

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she's like we don't have room for mean

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girls Like we don't have the luxury of

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TeLoring each other down because so much

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tears women and girls down We We need to

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support one another.And I so grateful in

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my network Of women that so many of them

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Support each other both in the podcasting

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industry and professionally and business

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and tech Where I work and you know other

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Ways I find it such a fulfilling space

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because the world does want to tear us

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down.And so songs like that are so

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important So if you're getting added to my

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hype woman playlist just.That's right Just

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fair warning it's each explicit playlist

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There are some songs in there that will

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raise your eyebrows and maybe aren't for

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the little ones but that's right Some a

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you just need it to be you know tear

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little more explicit and it's just me in

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the car so you know we're good But I would

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love to know are there specific musicians

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or artists a have influenced your style or

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your approach to songwriting particularly

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You know for this song Enough I wouldn't

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necessLorily say for this particular song

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that I That I wasn't trying to shape it

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After any particular artist style but

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I.Would say that my My sound in general in

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the past people have said that like

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vocally I Have similLorities to Carrie Jo

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and she has She has a very soft voice but

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there's just that it packs a punch in her

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choruses and stuff And song that lot of my

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songs have big choruses and have any lot

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of soft elements just like her.I love her

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She's She's great but also different

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powerful emphasis moments like Celine Dion

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I can't even sing like her but I love her

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She amazing.She a some really fun songs

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and she's lived it packs a legacy so I

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look up to her a lot So yeah they're

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Celine Dion and then I have a rock side

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soft elements that I really love And this

529
00:25:25,704 --> 00:25:33,232
song enough has more of a pop rock vibe It

530
00:25:33,232 --> 00:25:36,736
has more of like a really driving beat to

531
00:25:36,736 --> 00:25:40,280
it that really helps emphasize the message

532
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,864
I think.And maybe that probably comes from

533
00:25:43,864 --> 00:25:46,176
how much I listen to maroon five and

534
00:25:46,176 --> 00:25:48,904
Coldplay and other artists like them So

535
00:25:48,904 --> 00:25:52,696
I'm a huge Coldplay fan But a I love it

536
00:25:52,696 --> 00:25:55,784
Now that you're mentioning all those I

537
00:25:55,784 --> 00:25:59,620
hear those in your music a I'm excited to

538
00:25:59,620 --> 00:26:02,044
have been able to be one of the people

539
00:26:02,044 --> 00:26:05,076
that got in advance listen to this song

540
00:26:05,076 --> 00:26:08,964
enough which was just beautiful.I sat on

541
00:26:08,964 --> 00:26:13,904
the couch and heard It and I was just like

542
00:26:13,904 --> 00:26:17,332
feeling It and just so grateful that you

543
00:26:17,332 --> 00:26:22,856
wrote this I think it's going to really

544
00:26:22,856 --> 00:26:24,664
speak to a lot of people So if you don't

545
00:26:24,664 --> 00:26:27,776
mind could we have a little bit of able

546
00:26:27,776 --> 00:26:28,952
play Sure Let's see if this works I'll

547
00:26:28,952 --> 00:26:31,168
give you all a quick little teaser and

548
00:26:31,168 --> 00:26:33,056
I'll start in here Fear will pull you down

549
00:26:33,056 --> 00:26:35,744
and fear will mute yourself don't let it

550
00:26:35,744 --> 00:26:37,512
make you believe who you are is not enough

551
00:26:37,512 --> 00:26:38,848
down.Love it brings tears to my eyes just

552
00:26:38,848 --> 00:26:41,800
a we've known each other oh yeah that's

553
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,124
true It's a great song for the treadmill a

554
00:26:44,124 --> 00:26:48,860
I'll add it to my workout playlist too

555
00:26:48,860 --> 00:26:52,544
Well as we're finishing up here thank you

556
00:26:52,544 --> 00:26:57,944
for this in been amazing I know you

557
00:26:57,944 --> 00:27:27,304
probably have listeners and fans like in

558
00:27:27,304 --> 00:27:30,752
Italy Do you want to say anything to them

559
00:27:30,752 --> 00:27:42,596
or anyone else listening in any language

560
00:27:42,596 --> 00:27:44,740
whatever your choice.There's an airplay

561
00:27:44,740 --> 00:27:47,932
App for team mobile.Yeah you guys my

562
00:27:47,932 --> 00:27:49,664
italian friends they can listen to my

563
00:27:49,664 --> 00:27:53,044
songs also through The Tin mobile app but

564
00:27:53,044 --> 00:27:58,140
there's also Spotify and I know they use

565
00:27:58,140 --> 00:28:00,716
that too So yeah Excited for this song to

566
00:28:00,716 --> 00:28:03,788
be out in the world and everybody share it

567
00:28:03,788 --> 00:28:05,964
with all the people you know so we can get

568
00:28:05,964 --> 00:28:08,604
this out there.Yeah Let people know how

569
00:28:08,604 --> 00:28:29,834
they can share It and how they can find

570
00:28:29,834 --> 00:28:33,058
you Oh yeah So I have a website.It's

571
00:28:33,058 --> 00:28:35,914
Shannan Copland.com But you can also find

572
00:28:35,914 --> 00:28:38,562
me on Instagram and all the different

573
00:28:38,562 --> 00:28:39,490
social platforms at Shannon Coplinmusic

574
00:28:39,490 --> 00:28:43,170
And pay attention to the spelling because

575
00:28:43,170 --> 00:28:43,946
my mom decided to write my name

576
00:28:43,946 --> 00:28:45,282
differently Shannan And enough comes out

577
00:28:45,282 --> 00:28:47,794
on April 12 That's when it gets released

578
00:28:47,794 --> 00:28:50,170
and goes live But for anyone who signs up

579
00:28:50,170 --> 00:28:51,298
through my website for my newsletter they

580
00:28:51,298 --> 00:28:55,202
get to get yeah. sneak peek and listen to

581
00:28:55,202 --> 00:28:58,754
it Shannon lot sooner So if anyone wants

582
00:28:58,754 --> 00:29:02,074
to hear it sooner they can sign up and

583
00:29:02,074 --> 00:29:06,042
I'll Get it to them sooner Thank you.Yes

584
00:29:06,042 --> 00:29:09,540
And it's a birthday present for me because

585
00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:18,036
April 12 is my birthday so But I got my

586
00:29:18,036 --> 00:29:20,764
birthday present early from you so I got

587
00:29:20,764 --> 00:29:23,076
an advance sneak peek on the song Well

588
00:29:23,076 --> 00:29:25,564
thank you so much for being on the show

589
00:29:25,564 --> 00:29:27,212
for making such a difference and bringing

590
00:29:27,212 --> 00:29:29,796
your beautiful differences of songwriting

591
00:29:29,796 --> 00:29:31,468
and your experiences that have formed Who

592
00:29:31,468 --> 00:29:34,434
you are to make a difference for so

593
00:29:34,434 --> 00:29:37,550
many.And I know that it's also been

594
00:29:37,550 --> 00:29:38,598
birthday transformational journey for you

595
00:29:38,598 --> 00:29:40,974
And I think that's the best way to make a

596
00:29:40,974 --> 00:29:44,782
difference in the world is to bring our

597
00:29:44,782 --> 00:29:47,246
own narratives and our own story Like you

598
00:29:47,246 --> 00:29:49,102
said there's so much pressure to fit into

599
00:29:49,102 --> 00:29:53,966
a box that we a you to be your And just

600
00:29:53,966 --> 00:29:58,246
the transformation you've gone through to

601
00:29:58,246 --> 00:30:01,474
be yourself it speaks volumes And I just

602
00:30:01,474 --> 00:30:03,838
appreciate you both as.A friend and as an

603
00:30:03,838 --> 00:30:06,182
artist that I'm enjoying your music and

604
00:30:06,182 --> 00:30:08,406
all the things So thank you so much

605
00:30:08,406 --> 00:30:09,694
Shannon for being on today Thank you Lori

606
00:30:09,694 --> 00:30:12,470
Thank you so much So we're going to have

607
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:14,422
you hang out again for our Patreon

608
00:30:14,422 --> 00:30:15,718
difference maker community where we'll go

609
00:30:15,718 --> 00:30:17,990
a little bit.Deeper with you there but we

610
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:20,262
will Say goodbye to everyone Bye to

611
00:30:20,262 --> 00:30:23,862
everyone in Italy Ciao and thank you for

612
00:30:23,862 --> 00:30:25,046
listening Thanks everyone.Well did you

613
00:30:25,046 --> 00:30:27,062
feel the vibe that Was coming across that

614
00:30:27,062 --> 00:30:29,246
I felt as we were recording this I hope

615
00:30:29,246 --> 00:30:30,974
that you did Shannon is just Thank very

616
00:30:30,974 --> 00:30:33,462
authentic vulnerable Person who is fully

617
00:30:33,462 --> 00:30:34,758
embracing who she.Is at this stage of her

618
00:30:34,758 --> 00:30:38,342
life And asking us to consider doing the

619
00:30:38,342 --> 00:30:39,286
Same for ourselves for everyone else

620
00:30:39,286 --> 00:30:42,222
around us so that we can bring our

621
00:30:42,222 --> 00:30:44,934
differences fully to the table and speak

622
00:30:44,934 --> 00:30:51,354
with our own voices And even if we you

623
00:30:51,354 --> 00:30:55,606
know fumble Through it I know one of RBG's

624
00:30:55,606 --> 00:30:57,886
great quotes that she left behind for all

625
00:30:57,886 --> 00:31:02,028
of us is to just you know a even when our

626
00:31:02,028 --> 00:31:06,256
voice shakes.You know we may not get it

627
00:31:06,256 --> 00:31:09,000
right We may make mistakes along the way

628
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,056
It doesn't have to be perfect But as we

629
00:31:13,056 --> 00:31:15,960
bring ourselves to the world we are can

630
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,168
very unique person And there's only one of

631
00:31:19,168 --> 00:31:23,296
us.I'm a mom of twins They were born six

632
00:31:23,296 --> 00:31:24,808
minutes apart And they are exact opposites

633
00:31:24,808 --> 00:31:28,296
in so many ways Born in the same family

634
00:31:28,296 --> 00:31:30,288
same languages same country same culture

635
00:31:30,288 --> 00:31:31,816
same family You are unique.Even if you

636
00:31:31,816 --> 00:31:33,596
have shakes. twin You are special

637
00:31:33,596 --> 00:31:35,188
different and bring something To the table

638
00:31:35,188 --> 00:31:37,284
that we want to hear And that is what

639
00:31:37,284 --> 00:31:40,564
Shannon is trying To remind us of her song

640
00:31:40,564 --> 00:31:44,356
enough is a wait for you to listen to it

641
00:31:44,356 --> 00:31:46,492
Go on to Spotify or wherever you get your

642
00:31:46,492 --> 00:31:49,420
music and be one of they first to get

643
00:31:49,420 --> 00:31:52,764
access to this song today On April 12 On

644
00:31:52,764 --> 00:31:55,916
April 10 as this is releasing But it will

645
00:31:55,916 --> 00:31:58,316
fully release into the world on April 12

646
00:31:58,316 --> 00:32:01,612
But you could sign up for it early so you

647
00:32:01,612 --> 00:32:04,890
can be one of the first to get it Share it

648
00:32:04,890 --> 00:32:06,810
with your friends This is a song, that

649
00:32:06,810 --> 00:32:08,930
really embodies all of the things that we

650
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:12,386
see in Shannon's life as she shows us What

651
00:32:12,386 --> 00:32:14,994
that looks like and lives it Out herself

652
00:32:14,994 --> 00:32:17,174
and really thought about her.Girls as she

653
00:32:17,174 --> 00:32:20,530
was writing it And whether you're a girl a

654
00:32:20,530 --> 00:32:22,442
woman releasing. boy a man whoever you are

655
00:32:22,442 --> 00:32:23,818
whatever language you speak if English is

656
00:32:23,818 --> 00:32:25,042
your second language and you're Italian

657
00:32:25,042 --> 00:32:26,266
and you one of those and her community of

658
00:32:26,266 --> 00:32:28,770
listeners out there who speak Italian and

659
00:32:28,770 --> 00:32:32,726
are cheering her song all the Way from

660
00:32:32,726 --> 00:32:35,174
Italy are her friends in Portugal or

661
00:32:35,174 --> 00:32:37,390
Norway or wherever you are listening to

662
00:32:37,390 --> 00:32:40,630
this up in and where you're keeping it

663
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:43,046
weird wherever you are I hope that this

664
00:32:43,046 --> 00:32:45,990
message has been an inspiring one for you

665
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:49,014
a from a own voice speaking to you and

666
00:32:49,014 --> 00:32:50,846
getting to hear speak, little bit of that

667
00:32:50,846 --> 00:32:52,662
song she's releasing out into the world in

668
00:32:52,662 --> 00:32:55,750
just a couple of days on Friday April 12

669
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:57,350
my birthday.Such Italian special treat for

670
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:59,866
me to Be able to release this and

671
00:32:59,866 --> 00:33:01,874
celebrate her and amplify her voice out

672
00:33:01,874 --> 00:33:04,706
into The world as a way to let You know

673
00:33:04,706 --> 00:33:08,370
that she's a voice you want to listen to

674
00:33:08,370 --> 00:33:10,170
and that she Is putting heart and soul

675
00:33:10,170 --> 00:33:13,226
into her lyrics and that you're going to

676
00:33:13,226 --> 00:33:14,250
hear some other things she's releasing out

677
00:33:14,250 --> 00:33:16,546
on Mother's Day out a fun song in the

678
00:33:16,546 --> 00:33:18,218
summer.And just as she's a deep thinker

679
00:33:18,218 --> 00:33:21,770
and I can attest to that and somebody who

680
00:33:21,770 --> 00:33:23,346
cares deeply as well you want voices like

681
00:33:23,346 --> 00:33:27,498
Shannon's in your ear and your earbuds and

682
00:33:27,498 --> 00:33:29,850
your headphones and on your car a or

683
00:33:29,850 --> 00:33:32,114
wherever you're listening to this on a

684
00:33:32,114 --> 00:33:33,834
train somewhere on a subway riding your

685
00:33:33,834 --> 00:33:36,074
bike somewhere doing the dishes at home

686
00:33:36,074 --> 00:33:39,498
whatever it is that your situation is

687
00:33:39,498 --> 00:33:41,466
right now as you're heLoring this podcast

688
00:33:41,466 --> 00:33:44,138
you want to put Shannon on your playlist

689
00:33:44,138 --> 00:33:46,594
because she's the kind of person that will

690
00:33:46,594 --> 00:33:48,874
continue to inspire you to be yourself And

691
00:33:48,874 --> 00:33:52,040
we need more of those voices speaking that

692
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,040
into our lives don't we To remind us an

693
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,520
anthem that your are enough No matter what

694
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,528
has happened before this Moment you are

695
00:33:59,528 --> 00:34:02,896
enough.And you are worthy and you deserve

696
00:34:02,896 --> 00:34:05,564
human dignity and respect And I hope at

697
00:34:05,564 --> 00:34:08,960
you're also showing That to others and

698
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,752
that this song will inspire you to do so

699
00:34:11,752 --> 00:34:13,992
as all of you are out there making a

700
00:34:13,992 --> 00:34:15,120
difference kind the world and bringing

701
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,856
your differences to the table Shannon is

702
00:34:16,856 --> 00:34:18,312
making such a difference and She is

703
00:34:18,312 --> 00:34:20,096
speaking friend of many around.The world

704
00:34:20,096 --> 00:34:22,776
who have made a difference in her life and

705
00:34:22,776 --> 00:34:25,528
that she's made what difference in their

706
00:34:25,528 --> 00:34:28,376
lives And she certainly made a difference

707
00:34:28,376 --> 00:34:31,256
in mine My friend Shannon so glad to bring

708
00:34:31,256 --> 00:34:33,456
Her voice to this podcast today So once

709
00:34:33,456 --> 00:34:35,008
again follow her share her music with

710
00:34:35,008 --> 00:34:36,232
others and share this so for those who

711
00:34:36,232 --> 00:34:37,472
need to be inspired.And to remember that

712
00:34:37,472 --> 00:34:39,584
you are enough wherever you are And I just

713
00:34:39,584 --> 00:34:41,720
continue to share this message with you

714
00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:45,136
because I know a the world is against us

715
00:34:45,136 --> 00:34:47,704
wants to bring our voices down and wants

716
00:34:47,704 --> 00:34:49,680
to crush us or make us small or put us in

717
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,172
a box like if you saw the Barbie movie

718
00:34:52,172 --> 00:34:53,388
where these little handcuffs start to

719
00:34:53,388 --> 00:34:56,356
appear around her hands and they start to

720
00:34:56,356 --> 00:34:59,228
trap her, in this box And I don't want any

721
00:34:59,228 --> 00:35:02,940
of us to do that to each other or to allow

722
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:05,916
others to do that to us So it's very

723
00:35:05,916 --> 00:35:07,740
liberating when you just own your own

724
00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:10,412
voice and let your light shine and bring

725
00:35:10,412 --> 00:35:12,212
your uniqueness into the world And it

726
00:35:12,212 --> 00:35:13,836
makes our world a better place.There's

727
00:35:13,836 --> 00:35:15,476
only one you and we want You to keep being

728
00:35:15,476 --> 00:35:17,398
you And so yeah that's Barbie way you Can

729
00:35:17,398 --> 00:35:19,394
make handcuffs difference It's just by

730
00:35:19,394 --> 00:35:20,306
being yourself.So keep making start

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difference wherever you are undefined

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